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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Mon 11/03/08 06:47 PM |
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I don't need to research your book to know living creatures feel pain, know joy, experience kinship and deserve life.
I did want to see how you rationalize it however . . . ahh semantics, figures.
This reiterates to me that religion is a convenience set outside of Morales to justify behavior.
You get to re-interpret this ancient text to justify your twisted view of life and death . . . . to me its utterly pathetic.
You want to understand morality, then place yourself in the position of each and every life you effect and tell me you can continue to do harm.
You are so filled with anger. I was like that once, so I know what you are going through. It's okay man, I know you don't mean it.
You don't know me, I don't know you, you can pretend to know god, but don't pretend to know me.
I know one thing that is certain, if (souls/spirits or whatever baseless terminology you wish to invoke) exist, my dog has one, and it is more pure than yours or mine.
Jeremy.
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When the Bible says thou shalt not kill do you feel this is absolute?
The Biblical God was telling people to kill other people all the time.
Stone sinners to death.
Stone unruly children to death.
Stone women who aren't virgins and who are unmarried to death.
Murder heathens, and be sure to murder their wives and children to with no mercy.
Don't forget to kill their livestock and burn their cities to the ground too.
The Biblical God sends mixed messages concerning murder. If you take the Bible literally it's hard to know what to do.
What you should say to someone who takes the Bible literally is "I have some great sunny ocean front property for you in South Dakota."
But hey who am I to judge people baseless beliefs.
evidently somebody - because you just did.
this subjects been debated to death, Bushi, we all know pretty much where we stand on "die hard" literal translation of the "book"[s] be it Hebrew, christian, or Muslim takes on it. The "god said it, i believe it, that settles it" populace, so to say. many Christians themselves don't agree with this, to many are aware of the ultra left views of many TV preachers/teachers.
Today in my opinion, you cannot really understand it the way it was intended, it was for a particular people at a particular point in time and they did know what was meant. All of that was accomplished by AD 70 when the temple was destroyed and the Jews scattered across the earth. of course their again that is my opinion. it was not a conspiracy by the piso family, it was not a conspiracy by the writers, it was just not meant for today in the way it was for those whom it was intended for.
Not even close, if some folks desire to read a work of fiction and call it history and I happen to comment on their actions and the following justifications in regards to this work of fiction, it in no way is me validating this work of fiction as fact. It is me making a comment about this group of people who take this work of fiction as fact . . .
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Mon 11/03/08 03:54 PM |
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When the Bible says thou shalt not kill do you feel this is absolute?
The Biblical God was telling people to kill other people all the time.
Stone sinners to death.
Stone unruly children to death.
Stone women who aren't virgins and who are unmarried to death.
Murder heathens, and be sure to murder their wives and children to with no mercy.
Don't forget to kill their livestock and burn their cities to the ground too.
The Biblical God sends mixed messages concerning murder. If you take the Bible literally it's hard to know what to do.
What you should say to someone who takes the Bible literally is "I have some great sunny ocean front property for you in South Dakota."
But hey who am I to judge people baseless beliefs. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: I'm Undecided |
Mon 11/03/08 03:52 PM |
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On Fox News he is.
Why don't some of the things that McCain has done bother you? They sure bother me.
So if I criticize Obama, I must be a McCain supporter? Sorry, but you really shouldn't assume. I DON'T support McCain. Operative word being "DON'T". I have recently come to the conclusion that McCain is a better man for the job that Obama, I was undecided (I couldn't figure out which was the lesser of the two evils) for a long time. Obama is definitely the worst of the two, by a fair margin too.
Your full of ****
You have read all the propaganda and bought it, your the type of guy everyone talks about being born every minute. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Mon 11/03/08 03:44 PM |
I don't need to research your book to know living creatures feel pain, know joy, experience kinship and deserve life.
I did want to see how you rationalize it however . . . ahh semantics, figures.
This reiterates to me that religion is a convenience set outside of Morales to justify behavior.
You get to re-interpret this ancient text to justify your twisted view of life and death . . . . to me its utterly pathetic.
You want to understand morality, then place yourself in the position of each and every life you effect and tell me you can continue to do harm. |
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| Topic: My Thought for the day |
Mon 11/03/08 03:30 PM |
| Unless your good at validating truth and then go into the XML file and make the configuration change to tell the puter to STFU and shape up. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: Are you going up... or going down? |
Mon 11/03/08 03:25 PM |
I am throwing away a bunch of old definitions that are baseless, or based entirely in tradition, this one seems like a great candidate.
So YES I R A THIEF OF UR WURDS.
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: what to say to daughter after mother walks out on us |
Mon 11/03/08 03:07 PM |
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When a child is abandoned by a parent the other parent doesn't have to explain the other parents actions or lie to the kid that they love them or don't love them. You do you blow your credibility out of the water real fast. What helps a lot more is let them talk and you listen a lot. They are not going to have this talk once or all of the time. It will come up when they need to talk if you are a good listener and have quiet time together.
Parent's that love you don't leave you of their own free will and kids are smart enough to figure that out.
What confuses kid's is when one parent try's to talk for the other and it is even worse when the absent parent comes around and contridicts what the custodial parent says. You get where you don't want to believe anybody and just be left alone.
Sometimes a kid can make up elaborate stories about it just because it beats not haveing and answer and you get sick and tired of people asking what you can't explain. Especially adults that should know better than to ask a kid something they have no control over.
Personally I think dragging a kid to counseling and putting the kid through yet another stranger asking you what you are thinking about and cutting you off after 40 minutes is a load of crap. You know that person doesn't give a rats butt about you but you pick up real fast it is expensive and disrupts everyday normal life. And that it is goning to be picked to pieces later.
The most reassureing thing a parent can do is keep your act together and let you get used to the loss. Give you a shoulder to cry on but don't make them feel like they have to be your whole life. You can talk about the future that is to come and make it feel like the world hasn't come to and end because it doesn't.
Let the child pick who they want as a same sex role model. You have already blown it so your picks are not always going to sound so hot. And I don't need some substitute coming in and trying to be what they are not. Be nice if I don't have to loose my granparents too but I don't want to be a substitute for my parent or pay for my parents decision so get real and don't make me deal with their stuff either.
If I need to know something don't make excuses get a book and do your homework so when I have a moment I feel like asking a question you don't have to get back with me. If you don't get all weird about bodyparts I am not going to.
Least don't tell me she is never coming back. You don't know that and I can wait a really long time. Even if it means when I am grown and gone. I don't want to do it behind your back but if you make yourself out to be all hurt about it if I do I will feel guilty. Yea I might get really mad about her being gone but I need hope and I sure don't need to know you think I am not enough for a return to duty. I won't blame myself that is bogus. I saw what was going on. I remember. I just don't need to hear you say you can't do it. That scares me; a lot.
And oh by the way let me decide when I want to see her. I don't need you stressing me out every holiday trying to run her down or pretend it doesn't matter. You want to get me a gift let me have that from you and don't dress it up in some lie that it is from her if it isn't. I rather deal with the truth. I probably have a better shot of finding her in the right time of my life anyway if you stay out of it. I don't need to deal with your stuff about it.
You want to know how I know this? Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And I have reunited a lot of families that wanted to be.
Wow you know your stuff.
"Personally I think dragging a kid to counseling and putting the kid through yet another stranger asking you what you are thinking about and cutting you off after 40 minutes is a load of crap. You know that person doesn't give a rats butt about you but you pick up real fast it is expensive and disrupts everyday normal life. And that it is goning to be picked to pieces later."
I agree. Counseling is the biggest bunch of crap. If YOU need help, to properly help your child, YOU get counseling.
Someone who cares is who should be talking to the kid, not someone who's job it is to pretend to care.
My Dad left when I was 12 . . . .
Just my Not so Humble Opinion. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: Web Cams? |
Mon 11/03/08 02:57 PM |
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Really? Is it the cam itself or was there any change in your connection speed? Thats what I dont totally understand. Is the picture quality and fluidity of motion dependent on the cam itself or how fast your connection speed is? Or will it only appear as fast as the slowest connection, meaning if you are connected with someone on dial up, to them it will look like crap? Do you know what this is dependent on?
Can you adjust your cam to improve it or its shot now for some reason? What happened do you think?
Right, fluidity will be dependent on two factors FPS the cam is capable of capturing at, and connection speed of both parties the viewer and the capturing party.
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: Are you going up... or going down? |
Mon 11/03/08 02:51 PM |
Well the saying goes "down through time."
It is interesting, I think I like ascendants better, and you actually have a solid reasoning.
I like it!!! I am stealing it. |
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| Topic: I'm Undecided |
Mon 11/03/08 01:51 PM |
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If I hear one more person tell this lie I am going to scream.
There is no way after all the info at their disposal
whether it's positive or not, that anyone has not made up your mind who they will pick in the Presidential election....
I have no problem with people not wanting to say who they are voting for. It's there prerogative.
All I'm saying is just be honest about it.
It's real easy to say, "None of your business".
I'm off my soapbox and going to enjoy a nice cup of herbal tea....
No matter who you've decided to choose, just be sure and vote!
If you are saying people should vote, and have an opinion regardless of knowledge I couldn't disagree more.
I say DO NOT VOTE, DO NOT HAVE AN OPINION, if you have not done your research . . . . there is no greater evil in democracy then an uninformed vote. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: The Shroud of Turin, Real or Hoax? |
Mon 11/03/08 12:56 PM |
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Is it really important?
Or will it (has it) taken away from the truth of the message?
Is what was (possibly) worn by a person as important (in this time) as the words spoken by that person.
Much ado about nothing (imho).
Everything in every religion is a much ado about nothing.
Show me the money. I want to see one miracle that cant be explained. I want a dam burning bush to talk to me without the aid of powerful mind altering substance while hooked up to electrodes to study my brain function . . . why cant the all mighty just hook a brother up? |
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| Topic: Thousands of UFO's sightings.. tonight on Discovery channel |
Mon 11/03/08 12:51 PM |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination
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I await with great anticipation when we actually get some real falsifiable proof that doesn't fall into one of the categories above lol.
Hasn't happened yet despite that these programs always do well on tv.
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Are they going to give equal time to the Elvis and Jesus sightings?
If its any program worth its salt it will! |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: WHAT WOULD LIFE BE LIKE WITHOUT RELIGION? |
Mon 11/03/08 12:47 PM |
If I look to a book for my values, I may end up with the right values, but for the wrong reasons.
If you believe that you should be good so that you can ascend to heaven when you die, or should not be bad, so that you can avoid decent down to hell . . . well then are you really morale at all, or just self serving? |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: Philosophy and Science and why we cant . . . |
Mon 11/03/08 12:43 PM |
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When we came up the with words Empirical, and Rational, we had limited understanding of how information systems work. Developing computer programs, data bases, and decoding how the human brain works has expanded our understanding of how each of these lines of thought work at a more fundamental level.
This to me is a perfectly good reason to dump a lot of the garbage that muddles these two (not so exclusive) lines of thought. New insights allow us to filter the crap of previous generations.
I see empiricism as a set of analytical tools that overlap rationalism.
Rationalism without empirical data is a tool unused.
Rationalism is a tool within the set called empiricism.
I like to simplify things, not make them bigger to included all past blah blah blah.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
Albert Einstein.
Well, based on that perspective alone I would say that any thinking person uses both.
So the very idea of "Rationalism vs. Empiricism" is a moot point when viewed in this way doncha think?
I do. take out the Vs. and ask instead to what degree, and perhaps in what situation. Now there is a conversation. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Mon 11/03/08 12:40 PM |
What parts of the Bible do you take literally?
What parts do you take figuratively, or as metaphor?
Do you take the entire work as literal? When the Bible says God said let there be light, and there was light, do you take that to me that he winked the sun into existence or do you feel that this is so, but does not mention how this is so?
When the Bible says thou shalt not kill do you feel this is absolute?
Or do you think the bible should reference later sections to give examples of when you can break this commandment, or when you do not have to take it literally?
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