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Topic: Let’s do away with racism. Thu 10/30/08 10:24 PM
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I must agree!! And there are so many races with racism, not just whites. I'm tired of the forced segregations. I see blacks who are prejudiced against Hispanics, whites prejudiced against blacks and Hispanics, etc. It's all so stupid.


I grew up in Detroit and I met way more blacks who were prejudice and hated whites for no real reason other then the fact that they were white. That's a fact.

See white America has been shamed and bullied by the media, our legal system, political correctness and white guilt to move away from racism in the last 40 to 50 years. Mean while black America has been given a free pass to act out and behave as they wish when it comes to racial issues.



Well lets see if the playing ground is fair here FIRST before we compare white prejudice to black prejudice okay?

Whites have had the power and used it for awful, terrible, disgusting, etc... things against blacks AFTER slavery was over, right? To this day whites use anything and everything they can to keep the separation or distance, right? Discrimination happens to black folks daily from the stores they go to, to the police with their profiling, right? And don't try to say it doesn't happen I hang with black folks and have seen it all happen to them.

Okay so now you have black folks who feel America does not treat them fairly, can you blame them? You have black folks who just want to walk down the street or drive in their car and be treated as all other Americans on the street, they are still waiting. You have black folks who feel that when a realtor says the prices in the neighborhood of houses has gone down because blacks moved into the neighborhood, they are being discriminated against wrongly, are they wrong? I can go on and on but I think you are getting the point. I know all the lines to go with this.... "I don't do it so why do I have to go through it" well the point here is that the fact that happens at all means that all white folks will have to work within their groups to get this to stop and then they can quit hearing about it but until then.....
flowerforyou Dragoness, I don't think some of these people actually believe the silly stuff they have been saying.smileI think some people are merely motivated to get a reaction.smile It would take hard drugs to believe some of this stuff.laugh


You are the optimist Mirror. I have had too many of these battles in person and saw the hatred myself up close so I am not so optimistic in that way.

If only people would think before they speak, act, write on how it would feel to be on the other side of the subject.
 
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Topic: Let’s do away with racism. Thu 10/30/08 10:09 PM
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I must agree!! And there are so many races with racism, not just whites. I'm tired of the forced segregations. I see blacks who are prejudiced against Hispanics, whites prejudiced against blacks and Hispanics, etc. It's all so stupid.


I grew up in Detroit and I met way more blacks who were prejudice and hated whites for no real reason other then the fact that they were white. That's a fact.

See white America has been shamed and bullied by the media, our legal system, political correctness and white guilt to move away from racism in the last 40 to 50 years. Mean while black America has been given a free pass to act out and behave as they wish when it comes to racial issues.



Well lets see if the playing ground is fair here FIRST before we compare white prejudice to black prejudice okay?

Whites have had the power and used it for awful, terrible, disgusting, etc... things against blacks AFTER slavery was over, right? To this day whites use anything and everything they can to keep the separation or distance, right? Discrimination happens to black folks daily from the stores they go to, to the police with their profiling, right? And don't try to say it doesn't happen I hang with black folks and have seen it all happen to them.

Okay so now you have black folks who feel America does not treat them fairly, can you blame them? You have black folks who just want to walk down the street or drive in their car and be treated as all other Americans on the street, they are still waiting. You have black folks who feel that when a realtor says the prices in the neighborhood of houses has gone down because blacks moved into the neighborhood, they are being discriminated against wrongly, are they wrong? I can go on and on but I think you are getting the point. I know all the lines to go with this.... "I don't do it so why do I have to go through it" well the point here is that the fact that happens at all means that all white folks will have to work within their groups to get this to stop and then they can quit hearing about it but until then.....
 
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Topic: Civil Unrest? Thu 10/30/08 09:16 PM
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only bringing up the point that because on thinks someone is a good person does not make them so

reread the post




It hit a chord with me. A Catholic priest here was comparing Obama with Hitler with the congregation. Told them they were going to hell if they voted for Obama. This is sooo not good.
I've seen Obama and Hitler compared on here. I am suspicious of the mindset.


It is actually sickening the references that have been made about Obama.

Racists barely ever come right out and say they don't like guy because he is black, they make up as many disgusting references to the man as they can and hope something sticks. We have seen it in this political election.

I really would have thought with all the education and as smart as we Americans are supposed to be we would have worked through all the ignorance by now but I guess not.
 
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Topic: Civil Unrest? Thu 10/30/08 09:12 PM
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there were those that thought hitler was a good man as well
did not make him one

just a point not comparing him to hitler -- yet

nor maccain neither cause some say he is a good man as well

not comparing him to hitler either -- yet



Adj, you should be spankedwink for the reference and subliminal suggestion. LOL

But instead I will make the reference fit much better...people said and say Bush was a good man like Hitler was a good man and I don't know whether I agree or disagree...lol
 
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Topic: Let’s do away with racism. Thu 10/30/08 09:04 PM
I don't call out my whole list of ancestory because I am a mutt. German/Irish/American Indian, at least that is what I know.

I am at least 5 generations born here but I wished we would have kept all of our native languages.

I always say their are several reasons for racism to remain.

The first one seems to be a method of being superior to others. Think about it. You have either been taught or told that there is a level of "better" in the races or cultures, right?

Second seems to be this obsession we have here in America to LABEL EVERYONEnoway

Third, we grow up with prejudice in the home and continue to carry it on as a family tradition, sick isn't it?

 
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Topic: Let’s do away with racism. Thu 10/30/08 08:55 PM
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I want to have an open discussion about how dumb the term African-American is. I mean you don’t really see other races running around calling themselves IRISH Americans or Korean Americans.

I say we just go by names …hey I’m Joe or Hey I am Leroy or hay my name is Jenny etc.

What is the point in pointing out someone’s heritage for no good reason?

Tell me …I would love to hear why.

Better yet lets all just be Americans.



It is funny, most black folks I know don't like African American either so who invented it?

If there has to be labels they have become accustom to black, be it accurate or not, cause I always say they are more brown than black myself.

I wrote an article that got published a while back and the ending line of my article was the line you used last almost to a t. Black folks just want to be given the same rights and priviledges of all other Americans.
 
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Topic: Civil Unrest? Thu 10/30/08 08:49 PM
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Large numbers of disappointed black people = rioting? wtf???

Why do people think that just because black people are disappointed by an election outcome that rioting is inevitable...
that is so friggin offensive to me on so many levels... when black people have rioted in the past it was usually for damn good reason... to protest dehumanizing treatment and prejudice
for anyone to say that they fear that blacks will start rioting if Obama loses is such a racist stereotype that diminishes and underestimates our common sense its almost laughable.

There are even many more millions of white Obama supporters out there... are they expected to riot as well or just us dumb, riot-natured black people??

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I agree. In truth if black folks had been more violent like white folks or like white folks have demonstrated to them over all these years, they would have been rioting and burning the place down a hell of a lot more often than they ever have. Instead they trust in their faith and turn the other cheek.

I have already said this and I will say it again, if I had had to suffer the discrimination and prejudice I have seen black folks go through I would be one pissed ***** all the time. On the verge of violence at any given time, so the fact they have been tolerant and patient with prejudice whites and the injustices they still suffer today, says alot for them as a race of people. I know they have problems in their communities and I know they are trying to work it out. I commend them and will continue to empathize with their daily struggle and be very happy with them in their triumphs.

Obama is a good man and he will be a good president if he gets in.
 
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Topic: Civil Unrest? Thu 10/30/08 08:41 PM
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I thought about not posting this subject for a couple reasons.

The main reason of course is that there are a few hateful people here who I sure will use the subject to churn up a little more hate.

So who thinks it is going to hit the fan no matter what the result of the election is?

Who thinks the government might be part of that? Will they go so far as to incite rioting? Remember there were many police participating in the Chicago riots than demonstrators.

Are you personally doing anything to prepare for civil unrest?

Police Prepare For Possible Election Night Riots
Posted by Brian Montopoli| Comments22


Will election night bring civil unrest?

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Police departments countrywide think it's a possibility, and they're preparing for riots or other violent reactions to a McCain or Obama victory, The Hill reports.

There is particular concern that a loss by Obama, who has built a big lead in the polls, could prompt significant problems.

"Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large black populations," The Hill writes. Detroit, Chicago, Oakland and Philadelphia are among the cities that plan to have extra police deployed.

“Are we anticipating it will be a riot situation? No. But will we be prepared if it goes awry? Yes,” Oakland Police Department spokesman Jeff Thomason said.

Oakland will have extra units trained to deal with riots deployed and SWAT teams on standby when the results come in. Many police departments are preparing as they might for the possibility of a championship win or loss by a local sports team.

Some believe riots could come no matter who wins.

“If [Obama] is elected, like with sports championships, people may go out and riot,” Bob Parks, an online columnist and black Republican candidate for state representative in Massachusetts, told The Hill. “If Barack Obama loses there will be another large group of people who will assume the election was stolen from him….. This will be an opportunity for people who want to commit mischief.”


Talk about trying to preempt the civil unrest. This author is being fearmongering.
So if McCain loses will all the white folks riot? So they are implying that the minorities are more animalistic and out of control?

Not even cool.
 
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Topic: Presidential politics Thu 10/30/08 08:36 PM
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GObamadrinker banana


Obama08drinker banana

"From one of those of us who are productive." wink





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Topic: Dumbing Down Of America Tue 10/28/08 08:53 PM
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In my last post someone inferred that Mc Cain would be a better president cause he is more like a regular joe.

My question is, when did we as americans decide that we would settle for regular, ordinary, average or common people to lead us? Do we really want that in a time of crisis? Is regular joe code for something else? Where our founding fathers regular joes?


Well, technically McCain does not fall into the catagory of an "average Joe". He is an elite. Obama is closer to an "average Joe" than McCain. And I agree that our leaders should be a bit more educated and diplomatic than most "average Joes" but we do not want to get too far from the base of the average citizens here in this country either.

McCain has lots of experience but it doesn't necessarily make him a better candidate. He may be stuck in the rut of "this is how it is, how it is done" which would make him the status quo. Plus he has followed Bush alot of the time.

We are ready for something new here. Something inspirational. This country has been taken through the wringer with the last administration. It has to have a lift of some kind.
 
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Topic: When did youtube become.... Mon 10/27/08 10:34 PM
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A reliable news source of any kind? Don't people understand that youtube or utube, however it is spelled, is a personally produced and ALTERED version of what people want to express?

The few things I have seen from there are funny sometimes and entertaining sometimes and shocking and disgusting sometimes but at no point period should it be considered a reliable news source.

Can someone tell me why some people think it is verifiable fact?


well in my opinion people have become so wrapped up in the whole youtube thing that they actually believe what they are seeing or hearing


I guess that could be. I view the real news channels with some skepticism, always looking for a bias but at least they are suppose to be real news, held to some kind of standard. Utube is peoples personal playthings they put up.

Not that the artistic expression should be downplayed, it is a form of art but not factual news. At least in my opinion.
 
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Topic: When did youtube become.... Mon 10/27/08 10:16 PM
A reliable news source of any kind? Don't people understand that youtube or utube, however it is spelled, is a personally produced and ALTERED version of what people want to express?

The few things I have seen from there are funny sometimes and entertaining sometimes and shocking and disgusting sometimes but at no point period should it be considered a reliable news source.

Can someone tell me why some people think it is verifiable fact?
 
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Topic: Dear Conservatives, Will You Help Mon 10/27/08 09:26 PM
Since Bush has been in office he has been trying to do this the whole time.

I consider this article fearmongering though. It could have been put more factually and less fear inspiring. People understand if you state the military can govern you at a drop of a hat and if you have a problem with you had better start contactin folks.

Republican ideal that is the most dangerous of all. "We the moral right know what is best for the citizens of this country, even if they don't"

Put that into office and give it full power and watch all your rights go away "for your own good".
 
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Topic: why are old people so grumpy? Mon 10/27/08 09:19 PM
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why?


Well I always figured it this way:

They have lived a long time and time is running too short to be into frivolity.

They have earned the right to be straight shooters whenever they so choose to be and it should be listened to. We may learn something. If not learn something, we may see a different view, giving us a more rounded view of things.

Have you ever tried being kind, understanding, human and patient? They do deserve it. Even if they appear to just be mad all the time.

 
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Topic: traitors in govt. Mon 10/27/08 09:10 PM
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who else thinks a few polititions should stand trial for there crimes?



Bush and Cheney to start with? I could go for that but it won't happen.


they've been trying for 8 years to find something, anything that could indict or impeach Bush and nothing yet






I know. I was so disappointed when Pelosi ran on the possibility of impeachment and once in, she said that she would not be persuing it.frustrated
 
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Topic: Don't ruin your chance to be published! Mon 10/27/08 09:05 PM
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According to the 2008 Poets Market, many publications will not publish poetry that has previously been published, and that includes online sites like this one! I stopped blogging my own poetry after I read that, because I'd like to see my poetry in print someday. It seems to me that most folks don't care about being published in magazines or whatever, but if you are the exception, then I'd suggest that you take a look at the Poets Market and refrain from prematurely publishing your poetry on the internet. Anyway, I just thought I'd put that out there...


Thanks for the heads up. I am such a novice poet I am not even considering submitting any for publishing.
 
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Topic: Spreading The Wealth The Obama Way Mon 10/27/08 09:00 PM
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I totally agree. Im now where near weathy and the middle class people do work hard if not harder than the rich but i do not think the government should be talking money from the wealthy and giving it to less weathy people. That totally takes away from the american dream.


He will tax people making over $250,000 a tax of 3% of what they made over $250,000. That will be about 5% of the population.

He will give tax cuts to the 95% of the people working that make under $250,000.
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** WRONG! There is no 95% .. 30% of people right now are NOT paying taxes. If Obama is is prez he is going to take give that 30% a welfare check every april. How would you like to take your money and give it to someone that is not paying taxes? The small business owners are going to get penalized. If they have to pay more money to spread then who is going to create the jobs? not the middle, low class. Nope. The majority of the jobs created will be government. More government programs and that is going to cost billions. I think it is every individual who needs to be held accountable for what they make. If you are happy at McDonalds, stay there, If you are a person who has goals and dreams and want to better yourself, go for it! I do not agree w/anyone, and I mean anyone to tell me or a person making more money than me that i have to pay more taxes to support the guy from mcdonalds or wherever that is wrong! Who the hell are you ?? I decide where my money goes! The state and federal take enough damn taxes as it is. I am so sick of the congress spending taxpayers money on bullsh&t programs. Cut the fat and then use that money to create jobs. I am so sick of people saying that the wealthy should spread the wealth. they do not owe you shyt .. you need to get off you azz and create your own wealth. stop *****ing about other people take control of your own future and don't depend on the government or the wealthier people. The wealthy doesn't owe you crap! I make $60,000 and i am ok w/that .. If I want more then Its up to ME to get it. If Obama is prez I bet everyone will not stride to better themselves ..y should they .. they will get handouts. What lazy people we have today in our country ..


Wow, well don't hold any of that hatred back okay?

Republican or conservative philosophy of the poor are poor by their own dam faults is not reality. It allows them to feel superior at some level than the poor or poorer than themselves but it is not even close to reality.

The tax breaks are for working folks. Let me say that again in case you missed it, the tax breaks are for WORKING FOLKS. Working folks getting a tax break in no way looks, tastes or feels like "welfare".

If we want to talk about welfare lets talk about the republican welfare out of the Bush administration. He gave handouts to most Americans and then gave corporate welfare not once but twice, with his tax cuts and the bail out. Liberal republicans, you can't beat em with a stick. They love to hand it out.wink laugh


You say it so well.flowerforyou


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Topic: Spreading The Wealth The Obama Way Mon 10/27/08 09:00 PM
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omg...Im talking about all the programs that we have currently. disability, government assistance for schooling, food stamps, WICC, medicaid...


i really love it how if you dont support in INCREASING the funding in these programs...its like you dont care about helping anyone.

my point of view, i see these programs working EVERYDAY. what more is it we need to do????

tell ya what....
put more money into education????

sure, but there are programs and oppurtunities available ALREADY. if a person finds it to stressful and too much work to follow through with any of these programs....they are not gonna cut it in college anyhow.

a helping hand..........its already there for MANY....but it must be reached for




Oh, those programs. I was wondering if I missed a new one.

Disability isn't a freebie. People paid the taxes for it while they were working.

My mom used to work for the company that gave WICC out in our city. It helped the children so much. They thrived. They even have lactation consultants and nutritionists.

I really believe that there are more people needing these programs now than ever. By helping the children, hopefully they will become better adults than if we hadn't helped.



three types of diability....federal, state, and from your insurance carrier.

and i think WICC is an excellent program.

but i think enough is enough....no more federal funded programs


I know of Social Security disability but I don't know about state and insurance carrier off the top of my head.


Most states have SSI but you can't get it and Social Security

and there are tons of agency's that are just dying to qualify you for money


Ohhh...I thought SSI was federal. I don't know about tons. I know WIC, heat grant, electric grants.

My mom knows of all of the resources. Her work gives the info. out. Haha. I keep forgetting she just retired (70 y/o).

I know that the State here - Family Services - gives $80/week to those on disability. That's soooo much.

Our Governor cut back Medicaid and Food Stamps eligibility income to $400 a month. If you make over $400/mth. you can't get help. Funny thing, if you make over $400/mth., you're homeless. If you're homeless, you don't have an address to file with. It's really hurt people on disability. We can't wait to see him go.


SSDI and SSI are the two programs offered for disability from the Social Security Administration. A person can be eligible for both but most fall into one or the other catagory. SSDI is the money you get for your work quarters and how much you paid in. SSI is the "welfare" of social security. If you have never worked or you worked to little to get good work quarters you recieve SSI. Maximum SSI is 540.00 dollars per month. SSDI depends on how much you paid in but the highest I have heard from this program is 1400.00 dollars or so.

McCain wants to fund his tax cuts with Medicare funds. DOES HE EVEN REALIZE HOW LITTLE MEDICARE COVERS FOR FOLKS???!! He is such an idiot when it comes to normal folk stuff.noway huh slaphead
 
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Topic: traitors in govt. Mon 10/27/08 08:52 PM
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who else thinks a few polititions should stand trial for there crimes?



Bush and Cheney to start with? I could go for that but it won't happen.
 
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Topic: Obama calls a plumber Mon 10/27/08 08:49 PM
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Barack Obama discovers a leak under his sink, so he calls Joe the Plumber to come and fix it.

Joe drives to Obama's house, which is located in a very nice neighborhood and where it's clear that all the residents make more than $250,000 per year. Joe takes his tools into the house and is led to the room that contains the leaky pipe under a sink. Joe assesses the problem and tells Obama, who is standing near the door, that it's an easy repair that will take less than 10 minutes.

Obama asks Joe how much it will cost.

Joe immediately says, "$9,500."

"$9,500?" Obama asks, stunned. "But you said it's an easy repair!"

"Yes, but what I do is charge a lot more to my clients who make more than $250,000 per year so I can fix the plumbing of everybody who makes less than that for free," explains Joe. "It's always been my philosophy. As a matter of fact, I lobbied government to pass this philosophy as law, and it did pass earlier this year, so now all plumbers have to do business this way. It's known as 'Joe's Fair Plumbing Act of 2008.' Surprised you haven't heard of it, senator."

In spite of that, Obama tells Joe there's no way he's paying that much for a small plumbing repair, so Joe leaves.

Obama spends the next hour flipping through the phone book looking for another plumber, but he finds that all other plumbing businesses listed have gone out of business. Not wanting to pay Joe's price, Obama does nothing.

The leak under Obama's sink goes unrepaired for the next several days. A week later the leak is so bad that Obama has had to put a bucket under the sink. The bucket fills up quickly and has to be emptied every hour, and there's a risk that the room will flood, so Obama calls Joe and pleads with him to return.

Joe goes back to Obama's house, looks at the leaky pipe, and says "Let's see – this will cost you about $21,000."
"A few days ago you told me it would cost $9,500!" Obama quickly fires back.

Joe explains the reason for the dramatic increase. "Well, because of the 'Joe's Fair Plumbing Act,' a lot of rich people are learning how to fix their own plumbing, so there are fewer of you paying for all the free plumbing I'm doing for the people who make less than $250,000. As a result, the rate I have to charge my wealthy paying customers rises every day.

"Not only that, but for some reason the demand for plumbing work from the group of people who get it for free has skyrocketed, and there's a long waiting list of those who need repairs. This has put a lot of my fellow plumbers out of business, and they're not being replaced – nobody is going into the plumbing business because they know they won't make any money. I'm hurting now too – all thanks to greedy rich people like you who won't pay their fair share."

Obama tries to straighten out the plumber: "Of course you're hurting, Joe! Don't you get it? If all the rich people learn how to fix their own plumbing and you refuse to charge the poorer people for your services, you'll be broke, and then what will you do?"

Joe immediately replies, "Run for president, apparently."




Well if it was suppose to hit home it doesn't. Obama already stated he believes he should be taxed more also, said it in the debate if you caught it.

He includes himself in the people who should pay more so this whole thing is completely irrelavant.
 

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