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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Tue 11/04/08 02:55 PM |
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If you read "The Cowboys destroy the Packers", does that mean that the Cowboys literally destroyed the Packers?
"Spidercmb"...so if you read that Jesus walked on Water, does that mean that Jesus literally walked on water ..
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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Tue 11/04/08 12:31 PM |
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A metaphor is comparing two unrelated items, the siege of Jericho isn't a comparison and it's too complicated to be a metaphor anyways.
When you read the news paper, you don't need anyone to come over and explain to you when the writers are using a literary device. In my opinion, it's the same way with the Bible. You can tell by the context if the scriptures are presented as the literal truth, a parable, a metaphor, etc.
The siege of Jericho is presented as fact and recorded in a manner befitting an event that happened. The wheres, whens, whos and hows are all filled in.
"Spidercmb" aren't parables and metaphors also presented to be accurate ..also when it comes to the newspaper people expect an accurate account of events and not metaphors ..beside the part of the newspaper that may be in metaphors is the comic section ..
because one may say that something is the literal truth others may say it's a metaphor ...in them biblical days to say the bible was not the whole truth would be blasphemy
that's why to not view the entire bible as literal shows how people are distancing themselves from God |
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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Tue 11/04/08 11:58 AM |
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To believe a literal translation, foolish.
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I agree. But some parts of the Bible are literal and I see no reason why the siege of Jericho cannot be taken literally.
because the seige of Jericho may be the part of the bible that is fake
it all the bible is not literal then how can one tell what of the bible can be an actual account.. metaphors are fake accounts on the same level as gossip here-say or rumors |
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| Topic: Please list Gods ABSOLUTE laws... |
Tue 11/04/08 11:44 AM |
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Pretty sure his law of gravity is one you're not getting around.
pretty sure NASA and those that have walked in space may disagree |
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| Topic: WHAT WOULD LIFE BE LIKE WITHOUT RELIGION? |
Tue 11/04/08 08:30 AM |
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God did not Create Religion.
Man did.
God wants a Relationship with
Us.......not Religion.
"MorningSong" ..religion is the term used for the collection of laws set forth by God so that a perfect relationship can be formed with him ..which means that God did create religion |
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| Topic: Interpreting the Bible Literally |
Tue 11/04/08 08:14 AM |
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What parts of the Bible do you take literally?
all
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What parts do you take figuratively, or as metaphor?
none
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Do you take the entire work as literal?
yes
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When the Bible says God said let there be light, and there was light, do you take that to me that he winked the sun into existence or do you feel that this is so, but does not mention how this is so?
that which can cause light for imperfect creatures to use as a beacon was set into motion
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When the Bible says thou shalt not kill do you feel this is absolute?
yes thou shalt not kill is absolute ..murder can not take place unless you first kill ..it is not up to the believer to make the decision whether it's murder or not ..that's why thou shalt not kill is absolute
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Or do you think the bible should reference later sections to give examples of when you can break this commandment, or when you do not have to take it literally?
all of God's laws must be followed .. it is not up to the believer to pick and choose which laws to follow ..they of course can ...but that is what judgement day is for |
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| Topic: god may be aware... but not eternal |
Tue 11/04/08 05:03 AM |
| "MorningSong" ..God's own words shows that he is not eternal ..God signified that he is the "beginning" and the "end" ..neither can be acheived without the factor of time ..and time always negate the claim of eternalism |
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| Topic: god may be aware... but not eternal |
Tue 11/04/08 02:38 AM |
"Abracadbra" if time is meaningless to God then how long does it takes God to get bored and erase his memory ..
also how long would it take God to once again become conscious of the white light and how long after that would God once again become self aware and them how long would it take God to regain his total memory and realize that he is God and after that how long would it take God to once again get bored
which means "Abracadbra".. according to your senerio time does play a role and as you know the inclusion of time voids any claims of being eternal
as long as God is unaware and lack consciousness he exist in the realm of eternal but the moment God became "aware" then time would begin and God would cease to be eternal |
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| Topic: Thousands of UFO's sightings.. tonight on Discovery channel |
Mon 11/03/08 05:25 PM |
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There is a program on tonight on the Discovery Channel about the tens of thousands of UFO sightings that have been reported.
They are saying 9:00p.m. but with time zones I don't know when you might see it.
Not a believer in Aliens? Watch tonight!
They are here!!
all I see is the "Nazi Ufo Conspiracy" is that the program you are referring to |
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| Topic: god may be aware... but not eternal |
Mon 11/03/08 04:48 PM |
eternal is said to be that which has no beginning or end and void of time ..but once something becomes self aware time then becomes a factor and a beginning is thus created ...
therefore "eternal" can only equate to unawareness and does not equate to "always was"..
anything consider to be "always was" can only exist in the realm of unconsciousness which means to claim that God "always was" would be referring to when God was unaware or achieving consciousness
therefore that God supposedly used the term "I Am" can only express his existence not his eternalism
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| Topic: "to believe is to doubt" |
Mon 11/03/08 03:02 PM |
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I have answered that question... Several times in this thread and others.
no "Adventurebegins" you avoided answering the question by trying to speak in parables
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I am... Belief in or knowledge of EXISTANCE will not change that fact that I AM.
However simply because I am does not mean I actually exist. I might be a figment of my imagination.
However I still AM.
a figment..er..maybe
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Therefore I am.
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| Topic: "to believe is to doubt" |
Mon 11/03/08 02:38 PM |
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oooo, joy, rapture, IT'SSSSSSSSS ba----aaa--ck. The original of this thread has provoked much thought on my part of how to disprove this puppy in a way in which even your mind cannot dispute. I have given up on that fantasy. Be well, be happy! Other readers: Whether or not you can prove or disprove something - pick your battles. Some are worth the energy; others are just not.
Without thought or doubt, would a search be undertaken? Can a "fact" be born without some sort of doubt needing to be resolved?
"feistywench" was you not born without doubt that your existence was fact
By born, O' Word wrangler, are you referring to the birth of my soul or an actual physical incarnation? I haven't evolved to a point where I can remember the actual birth of my soul, so that will have to be an honest I don't know. This physical incarnation, I exist. All human children consider themselves the center of the Universe. How interesting as we grow we find out we are but a mere speck and then may or may not seek to find how best to coexist with other aspects of the same Universe. I seriously believe my first conscious thought was, "why did I agree to this?" The answers to that question grow as my ability to understand does. If I did not question, I would not seek answers. If I do not seek answers, I cease to learn. If I cease to learn, my mental growth would stop and then, I would not exist as I am.
since you didn't acknowledge any type of doubt about your existence then that would answer your question "Can a "fact" be born without some sort of doubt needing to be resolved?"
whic is why ..it's impossible to doubt one existence
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| Topic: "to believe is to doubt" |
Mon 11/03/08 10:40 AM |
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Please discribe 'conniption fit'... I have simply not agreed with you assement of 'doubt'... Those that worship a god allways do what?
"AdventureBegins" those that worship a God always never answer the question
do you believe you exist or do you know that you exist
they do like you are doing ..evasion of the question while parrot-phrasing ..clearly a lack of faith
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| Topic: "to believe is to doubt" |
Mon 11/03/08 10:24 AM |
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The Road Of Faith
Shine your light O Lord
So that I may see
Just where I am heading
And what’s in front of me
because oh lord dear lord
it's all about you and me
with you oh lord I will never hurt
God da_n I bumped my knee
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Your word is the light
The lamp unto my feet
It may not light far ahead
Nor show me where it’s steep
but can you make it bright enough
so aleast that I can see
so I won't keep tripping over my feet
these shoes are killing me
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But it gives enough light
For each step I take
Just enough to see ahead
Along this road of faith
but please keep on the light
to view the steps I take
because you said I will roast in hell
if ever I lose my faith
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For this is what it surely is
As we walk with Jesus Christ
The road that we are travelling on
Is by faith, not by sight
so if I'm to go by faith
instead of going by sight
then tell me oh oh lord
why you ask me do I see the light
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So shine your light O Lord
So we may see our way
Though you only show in part
It’s enough for each new day
it's enough for each new day
it's more than just a spiel
either way I can't complain
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| Topic: "to believe is to doubt" |
Mon 11/03/08 09:46 AM |
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oooo, joy, rapture, IT'SSSSSSSSS ba----aaa--ck. The original of this thread has provoked much thought on my part of how to disprove this puppy in a way in which even your mind cannot dispute. I have given up on that fantasy. Be well, be happy! Other readers: Whether or not you can prove or disprove something - pick your battles. Some are worth the energy; others are just not.
Without thought or doubt, would a search be undertaken? Can a "fact" be born without some sort of doubt needing to be resolved?
"feistywench" was you not born without doubt that your existence was fact |
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| Topic: Please list Gods ABSOLUTE laws... |
Sun 11/02/08 12:26 PM |
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The problem is not with the hypothetical particle (which is simply a wave) but you can't prove there are any actual locations without the existence of space and time and matter.
So it is not about finding a location that is void of matter or particles. You would have to find a hypothetical location outside of time and space that has no vibrations, or waves or energy of any kind.
If time and space exist inside of the mind (universal mind) then you would have to go outside of that universal mind to find this void of nothing.
Hypothetically, if you could leave your body and do this and if you did find that place or condition of "nothing" it would be a place of no time, no space, no thought and no vibrations. It would be HERE NOW.
All that would be left is YOU, (the observer) and unless you are nothing, then you are "the something" that exists.
You are the one.
You exist. 
You exist is the only absolute law.
"JennieBean" now that was some pretty good logic ....are you becoming un-asimulated?.. is resistance no longer futile?.... are you no longer borg?
I (we) only cooperate with myself (ourself.) You cannot assimilate yourself.
to claim belief as fact is assimulating oneself |
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| Topic: Please list Gods ABSOLUTE laws... |
Sun 11/02/08 11:02 AM |
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The problem is not with the hypothetical particle (which is simply a wave) but you can't prove there are any actual locations without the existence of space and time and matter.
So it is not about finding a location that is void of matter or particles. You would have to find a hypothetical location outside of time and space that has no vibrations, or waves or energy of any kind.
If time and space exist inside of the mind (universal mind) then you would have to go outside of that universal mind to find this void of nothing.
Hypothetically, if you could leave your body and do this and if you did find that place or condition of "nothing" it would be a place of no time, no space, no thought and no vibrations. It would be HERE NOW.
All that would be left is YOU, (the observer) and unless you are nothing, then you are "the something" that exists.
You are the one.
You exist.
You exist is the only absolute law.
"JennieBean" now that was some pretty good logic ....are you becoming un-asimulated?.. is resistance no longer futile?.... are you no longer borg? |
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| Topic: Proof |
Sun 11/02/08 09:34 AM |
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Give me 15 minutes with Sam and I will prove to him beyond a shadow of doubt that he exists in this realm. Well hes 60 what not, give me 5 minutes. 
Oh just kidding. 
"Krimsa"... one sure fire way to prove existence to "Tribo" is to have him sit in a bathtub of water and then toss a live electrical appliance in the tub with him ..
this technique will not only prove his existence but may also cease his existence but atleast he would find out if God has existence |
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