Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 09:05 PM |
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cultivation of medicinal herbs, ????
Sounds like the FDA's secret service ... 
I think someone was probably growing a little bit of herb in their backyard and those Witch Hunters came and got em. It wasn't just a misdemeanor for having a certain number of plants but more like a "sin" and then they could seize your property and torture you to death because Witches dont float with rocks tied to them. Most dont anyway so then they know they are doing god's will or what not.  |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 12:40 PM |
Just something I found on a website of interest.
This is the best known (i.e., the most infamous) of the witch-hunt manuals. Written in Latin, the Malleus was first submitted to the University of Cologne on May 9th, 1487. The title is translated as "The Hammer of Witches". Written by James Sprenger and Henry Kramer (of which little is known), the Malleus remained in use for three hundred years. It had tremendous influence in the witch trials in England and on the continent. This translation is in the public domain.
The Malleus was used as a judicial case-book for the detection and persecution of witches, specifying rules of evidence and the canonical procedures by which suspected witches were tortured and put to death. Thousands of people (primarily women) were judically murdered as a result of the procedures described in this book, for no reason than a strange birthmark, living alone, mental illness, cultivation of medicinal herbs, or simply because they were falsely accused (often for financial gain by the accuser). The Malleus serves as a horrible warning about what happens when intolerence takes over a society.
Although the Malleus is manifestly a document which displays the cruelty, barbarism, and ignorance of the Inquisition, it has also been interpreted as evidence of a wide-spread subterranean pagan tradition which worshiped a pre-Christian horned deity, particularly by Margaret Murray.
The source version of this text, with notes and additional material, can be found at MalleusMaleficarum.org [External Site]. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 12:19 PM |
"Why Witchcraft is Evil"
Are you kidding?
I would have brought it up to the front desk and wacked the clerk over the head with it and said, there, that's why its evil.
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 11:32 AM |
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As for the supposed "sting" operation on my tarot card reading, they had absolutely no probable cause to do such a thing. There were no complaints, I was not taking any money from anyone.
It was simply because the churches were all paranoid and terrified that some pagan witch had moved into town. This is a very small community where everyone knows everyone and gossip is rampant. I was told by a local pastor that the churches were really upset about me advertising tarot card readings.
The lady who came to see you sounds pretty "amateur" to me. Probably someone from one of the local churches trying to "get the goods" on you and sully your reputation.
Right. I was kind of thinking that also that she may have just been some old bitty from the church who was trying to run you out of town with threats that she had recorded you asking for money or something questionable and since you didnt, then she had nothing and just wanted to get the hell out of there. It sounded very haphazard and not very well planned out.
She may have been involved with law enforcement and Im not ruling that out but just from this description and the fact that its a small town with heavy church influence leads me to agree with Ruth on this. Too bad the battery in her wire didnt start to fizzle and arc and burn a hole in her side during the reading. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 10:32 AM |
| A switch? How are they doing that? I mean wouldn't you open the bag and look in there and count it? That seems a little shaky unless they drop it off to you and take off. Things like that just seem foolish to me and the second someone told me I needed my cash cleaned, I would get the feeling they are up to something. No one needs to be cleaning cash unless they are involved with drug trafficking or something or other that would require this be done. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 09:28 AM |
Interesting JB. Yeah they do that. I mean I dont know the ins and outs and who is always behind it but yes they will sometimes try to bust Tarot readers and psychics or gypsies or whatever else. It seems to me that yes, sometimes these scams happen and people are bilked out of their life savings or whatever else can go on. However I think some responsibility needs to fall on the victim in that case. You cant just be stupid about this and if a reader insisted that I need to come back right away for another reading or was asking for large sums of money, I would walk out. Common sense would dictate that.
And there are always people falling victim to these kinds of things and just look at Jim Baker and that PTL scam he had going. The organized churches are probably the worst culprits. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 08:46 AM |
Ruth,
Yes I agree totally. Balance is the key. That may very well be what attracts me to Wicca or Witchcraft. The Wicca I have only really looked at fairly recently. I like that these religions seem a lot less "guilt motivated." To constantly admonish someone and make them feel bad for being human is not a good thing in my opinion especially when some of these "sins" actually define a person as human. That can also lead to anger and rebellion. Far less of that in Witchcraft. Although Im not saying it never occurs. If you have a child raised by Wiccan parents or Pagan, there might be some rebellion or even resentment. Especially if a child feels ostracized from mainstream society or they have Christian friends who dont understand. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 08:19 AM |
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Yeah. I was thinking about that the other day because sometimes people confess things in intimate situations like that. Its been known to occur though probably more likely in a confessional situation because thats kind of the nature of the game. Someone unburdening themselves to a priest.
I love going to confession. It can be a very healing experience. The only problem is I don't view sin the way Cathoics view it. I am more looking to examine my own actions and how they may have hurt people that I shouldn't have. I don't confess things like "impure thoughts". If I did I'd have to go to confession at least 3 times a day.
Yeah. I think about 5 times a day for myself. Not just sexual, but sometimes I get a little annoyed with circumstances. I guess thats human. Catholics seem very worried about things that dont strike me as sinful at all.  |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 07:56 AM |
| Yeah. I was thinking about that the other day because sometimes people confess things in intimate situations like that. Its been known to occur though probably more likely in a confessional situation because thats kind of the nature of the game. Someone unburdening themselves to a priest. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 07:21 AM |
| Have either of you ever had something very strange happen. By strange I mean a client or someone coming for a reading that admits something very bad they have done or something that you felt you need to go to the police about? I know that can occur with Catholic priests in confessional so thats why I ask. Or if not some bad act they have already committed, something they are planning on doing that might put another person's life in danger? |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 06:57 AM |
Ruth,
That makes sense, actions always have consequences, either good or bad depending on what choices we make in life. It would be ridiculous for her to expect no repercussions for whatever she had done at work if it was against the company policy or what not. But yes, I see the differentiation you are making between other people and external forces and the actual person coming for the reading. But then how someone hears bad news like the "ex is not coming back" is dependent on them totally. Are they going to now wallow in self pity or pick up the pieces and move on with their life.
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Krimsa
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| Topic: Wiccans - part 2 |
Mon 11/03/08 06:47 AM |
| It seems to me that when people come for those Tarot readings they need to emotionally prepare themselves for hearing good and bad news correct? Sometimes you must hear the bad and focus on how to change that in your life. Is there always a way to change or sometimes you just tell people this is bad and there is nothing you can do about it? That might be frustrating for a person to hear. But sometimes, there is nothing you can do. Shrug. You can only control so much in your life and have to allow what is going to happen to take place. Its kind of like the "Serenity Prayer" in a way. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 06:36 AM |
| Sometimes people just buy ridiculous gifts yet they are convinced you will like it for some reason. Maybe because they like it for some reason or they own this thing. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 06:08 AM |
| I agree. I will get people gift certificates 9/10 times because to my way of thinking, if I am giving them money, they can now go get exactly what they want and it saves their own money for something else they might have their eye on. Some people say gift certificates are impersonal but I think that is a bunch of hooey. You are giving the person what they want most. What THEY themselves want. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 05:33 AM |
| It's also something they seem to depict in horror films very often where a person thinks they have woken up but have not. Its a pretty common way to scare an audience. The "Freddy Kruger" films come to mind. He was a dream type villain I think but he could actually attack you in dreams. There is also that whole thing about if you see yourself die in a dream, will it actually give you a heart attack and kill you. I remember having feelings of falling but it awakens me before impact. But it definitely felt like falling and not flight. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 05:15 AM |
| Then the Catholics and the Protestants would complain and pretty soon no one would be observing any calendar and how would we know when our appointments were? Let me just check out my Aztec to lunar conversion chart and my solar Gregorian substitution model |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 05:11 AM |
| Really? You have never had that happen? Hmm. I cant say its happened very often to me. Maybe only once or twice. Like I thought I had actually risen and gone into the bathroom. Like I say, I attribute it to being under stress like at work or in my personal life. The couple times I remember it happening was during those periods. |
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Krimsa
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Mon 11/03/08 05:05 AM |
I think you might be right. The first calendars were lunar. Then at some point the Pope decided to switch from the Julian Calendar over to the Gregorian. There was an error or something wrong with the Julian calendar. It was out of sync with the equinoxes and solstices by one additional day. I guess it would have become a hassle to deal with later and it was gradually building up.
All of the Catholic countries were fine with this but the Protestant dominated countries refused to observe the Gregorian calendar for nearly 200 year because the Pope had switched it over. |
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Krimsa
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Sun 11/02/08 10:38 PM |
| A Catholic Witch. I dont normally celebrate holidays but this year I might get myself involved in some Yule stuff. |
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