Fanta46
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| Topic: Sick of Being: SILENT MAJORITY |
Wed 08/13/08 11:12 AM |
Well we disagree on Bush being a criminal.
But, your point has been made, and as a sign of respect to you BG, I will try to refrain from lumping all republicans together.
I just hope you can see my point and realize how it happens!
Have a good day brother! |
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Fanta46
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Wed 08/13/08 11:03 AM |
Your welcome BG!
You too temp!
I have to go shock some Apple Trees for a friend.
It seems he cant get his Illegal crew to do it as they've all found better money as a carpentry crew!!
True story!!! |
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Fanta46
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| Topic: Sick of Being: SILENT MAJORITY |
Wed 08/13/08 10:57 AM |
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Maybe if I was calling George Bush a nazi, It would be o.k..
Maybe BG, if more Republicans would admit to him being what he is(a liar and a criminal,) instead of supporting him at all costs,
maybe, then we wouldnt talk about the Republican Party, but rather as Americans we would all talk about Bush!
Just a thought! |
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Fanta46
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| Topic: unamerican |
Wed 08/13/08 10:44 AM |
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Heres a quote from yesterday:no usa wont attack russia. because hell usa cant even beat iraq.so usa is chicken....
Do you want me to post more!!! It one thing to not agree with any politician, I dont care which one I dont agree with everything they stand for. Its one thing to trash a public figure and another to trash a country you call home!!!
I will defend my country as long as their is blood pumping through my veins temp. However, I do not owe that allegiance to the great decider, or as I like to call him, "The Great Liar."
Tims opinion of Bush's policies and his performance as President (Commander and Chief? LMAO) are no different than many people's around the world, or about 72% of all Americans.
Everyone is welcome to disagree with him, but personal attacks are becoming mainstream site traits as late.
I will and have said the same thing. The US (under Bush)seem quite willing to attack little countries like Iraq with reckless abandon and no just cause.
Us attacking Iraq, as Ive said many times, is akin to a school yard bully beating up on the special bus kid, and stealing his lunch money.
It is the first time in this countries history that we have attacked another country unprovoked. It is now a stain on the history of this country I love, and one I will never be proud of.
The US will not attack Russia, nor will they directly engage their forces in Georgia. Thank God, even Bush knows our military's limits!
We can not beat them, despite the generation of Americans who have become accustomed to our easy defeats in the Persian Gulf against an unworthy opponent. All our incursions into the ME have accomplished, besides the fact that now the world looks at us as aggressors, is now we have a generation of Americans who seem to think our military is invincible.
Putin made Bush look like the hypocrite that he is, and although that's something I never thought Id ever say, it is the truth!
If any of these coward arse feckers who have the balls to call for more of our brave soldiers to die while they sit on their arse safe and sound here at home dont like that I said that. Then they can kiss my red, white, and blue arse!
If tomorrow all the things were gone I'd worked for all my life, And I had to start again with just my children and my wife, I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today, 'Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can't take that away.
I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free, And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me, And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A.
From the lakes of Minnesota to the hills of Tennessee, Across the plains of Texas from sea to shining sea. From Detroit down to Houston and New York to L.A., There's pride in every American heart and it's time we stand and say:
I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free, And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me, And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A.
And, nowhere in those lyrics does it say I will blindly follow a Commander in Chief who will send men to die when he himself did all he could to avoid the same!
Nor, does it say I will attack a sovereign Nation without provocation!
Or, Lie to the American people to get them to approve my blatant misuse of our countries brave men and women for my own personal reasons!
I support my brothers 100%, but they have been misused and abused.
To defend Bush for his actions is not IMO supporting them 100%.
Bush, Cheney, and Rummy should be held accountable for their crimes! |
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Fanta46
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| Topic: unamerican |
Wed 08/13/08 10:35 AM |
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LOL Tim,
I thought this thread was about Republicans!
Turns out I wasnt far off!
Many people born here have been following HiBush so religously and for so long they have forgotten what being an American is about.
They think anyone who doesnt believe in the Bush doctrine is unAmerican.
Dont let them get to you.
I think otim been doing real well since coming back!
I believe in second chances. Dont let me, or more importantly yourself, down!
Fanta buddy,
You know I love ya man.
BUT...
I'm a Conservative and I agree with alot that Our President does. With that said, I disagree with much of his policies also.
This whole right -vs- left thing is making me sick. Just because I support my President doesn't make me a brainwashed psychphant.
All I hear (from both sides) is how we need more partisonship, But that only means that, "They are allowed to agree with me!" If I disagree, I'm automatically wrong or brainwashed.
God forbid we allow free expression or support for an ideal without being branded.
As for our Russian friend,
Shut up.
Now see that's the way to disagree.
Hey BG,
Im an Independent who has always voted Conservative. Bush has turned me on them and I dont see any difference, other than being a vet, between him and McCain!
Really its not McCain so much as the whole damned party! Their policies are outdated and proven failures IMO! I believe the country is ready to take a new direction.
I think to survive as a United country and a world leader we must take a new direction!
When I call the die-hard Republicans brainwashed I am talking about the ones who would follow their party at the expense of America.
America to me is not a Party, it is and attitude and an idea. A collection of individuals never satisfied with simply being the best country on earth, but constantly endeavoring for improvement, to be even better!
I am not suggesting that the Democrats have all the answers, nor that they are the end means to what we need. They do however offer a candidate with the ability to move us forward instead of backwards or running idle.
It's not even about the Democrat party, but about the man Obama.
He at least shows the willingness to work across party lines and realize that America's future is the goal. He is willing to change, and approach the years of failed foreign policies with a new approach.
Instead of looking down on others of different cultures he is willing to talk to them with respect to their wants and needs.
All the Republicans do is cut of talks with anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with us on everything. Including the Democrats who sit in the same Congress.
Bush went 6 yrs without issuing a single veto until the Democrats gained a small majority two yrs ago. Since then he has issued at least 12, and threatened to veto the new GI Bill that Jim Webb sponsored. McCain, the vet, right by his side. What's up with that?
The Republicans will talk with anyone who possesses nuclear weapons, cut off talks or invade those who won't fold in to their demands, and then wonder why those countries want Nukes.
They talk about drilling offshore oil wells, when they wont develop the land they already lease, as a political move. Trying to scare Americans into believing that if they dont, gas prices will continue you climb.
I suspect that as soon as Obama becomes President, without drilling at all, OPEC will drop crude oil prices 20-30 dollars a barrel the first year he's in office! I suspect this for many reasons, but that's a whole thread on its own!
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Fanta46
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Wed 08/13/08 09:49 AM |
Heres a quote from yesterday:no usa wont attack russia. because hell usa cant even beat iraq.so usa is chicken....
Do you want me to post more!!! It one thing to not agree with any politician, I dont care which one I dont agree with everything they stand for. Its one thing to trash a public figure and another to trash a country you call home!!!
I will defend my country as long as their is blood pumping through my veins temp. However, I do not owe that allegiance to the great decider, or as I like to call him, "The Great Liar."
Tims opinion of Bush's policies and his performance as President (Commander and Chief? LMAO) are no different than many people's around the world, or about 72% of all Americans.
Everyone is welcome to disagree with him, but personal attacks are becoming mainstream site traits as late.
I will and have said the same thing. The US (under Bush)seem quite willing to attack little countries like Iraq with reckless abandon and no just cause.
Us attacking Iraq, as Ive said many times, is akin to a school yard bully beating up on the special bus kid, and stealing his lunch money.
It is the first time in this countries history that we have attacked another country unprovoked. It is now a stain on the history of this country I love, and one I will never be proud of.
The US will not attack Russia, nor will they directly engage their forces in Georgia. Thank God, even Bush knows our military's limits!
We can not beat them, despite the generation of Americans who have become accustomed to our easy defeats in the Persian Gulf against an unworthy opponent. All our incursions into the ME have accomplished, besides the fact that now the world looks at us as aggressors, is now we have a generation of Americans who seem to think our military is invincible.
Putin made Bush look like the hypocrite that he is, and although that's something I never thought Id ever say, it is the truth!
If any of these coward arse feckers who have the balls to call for more of our brave soldiers to die while they sit on their arse safe and sound here at home dont like that I said that. Then they can kiss my red, white, and blue arse! |
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Fanta46
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Wed 08/13/08 08:53 AM |
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LOL Tim,
I thought this thread was about Republicans!
Turns out I wasnt far off!
Many people born here have been following HiBush so religously and for so long they have forgotten what being an American is about.
They think anyone who doesnt believe in the Bush doctrine is unAmerican.
Dont let them get to you.
I think otim been doing real well since coming back!
I believe in second chances. Dont let me, or more importantly yourself, down!
Well I have to to totally disagree with you. Have you read all his latest posts. Free speech is one thing but hiding behind the freedoms that this country gave you is another..He is a coward nothing more!!! You took an oath when you joined the military, one I know you took very seriously..He toke an oath when he became an American..We all know how he feels about that!!
He has improved his disposition temp.
He has a right to disagree with Bush as a citizen, and as far as a world view he is right in line with their opinion of the Bush Administration.
I will defend America as long as my heart beats, but I have not and never would put forth that effort for the great decider, who I feel free to refer to as the great liar, Bush!
I read the post where you and tim had a clash of ideology and opinion, but if Zap had not come in to yours and his conversation with his personal revelations and attacks on tim it would have been just that, a disagreement of opinion!
I was Gary's, and his any aliases original revealer and have always been the first to bust him when he has reappeared.
I have undoubtedly been his worst nightmare, as Im sure he will attest.
After watching him for quite sometime since his latest return, and seeing that his disposition had changed dramatically for the better, I decided to leave him alone this time.
He was doing real good and no one even noticed except me that he was the lost Gary. I let him know I noticed and then let him be.
Steve (Zap) was back on the site under an alias of his own for a couple weeks before he indicated to me that he suspected who tim was.
Despite me asking him to let tim be, he immeadeatly launched into his revelation. Instead of debating the topic, he has consistently attacked the poster. Despite the contradiction that Zap also had an alias!
This seems to be Zaps style as most all his posts will attest! He seems quite impressed with himself and I guess he mistakes his bad attempts at comedy as intelligence!
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Fanta46
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| Topic: Terrorists? |
Wed 08/13/08 08:34 AM |
I suppose some where in your little mind you think this is similar to McCain's illegal donations.
These men filled out an online donation form and lied about living in the state of GA.
McConfused personally met with the MANY who have donated MANY times tha amount to campaign.
Plus they can be connected to lobbying efforts. These two brothers cant!
Nice try at similarity Zap!
A little desperate and a very long stretch from it, but nice try!
Its a common mistake made when desperate people make desperate attempts at cognitive reasoning!!
Dont get mad!
At least I posted here, it didnt look like anyone else thought it was worthwhile!
I felt kind of bad, not so much for you, but for this lonely little thread!! |
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Fanta46
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| Topic: McCains Lies |
Wed 08/13/08 08:17 AM |
BOY! 's
Y'all really need to quit getting your news from the Republican Blog sites!
I just read where some DA said we werent fighting Iraqi's in Iraq!!
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Fanta46
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| Topic: unamerican |
Wed 08/13/08 08:07 AM |
Before you brought personal attacks back to JSH, STEVEE!!
I know you are impressed with Steve, but very few others are near as enamoured with your dribble as you.
A few little boys and 1 Russia is all I count.
Which one of them made you the site moderator??? |
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Fanta46
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Wed 08/13/08 08:00 AM |
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Gypsy is the Queen!! |
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| Topic: Group seeks federal probe of McCain donations |
Wed 08/13/08 07:56 AM |
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This would be news if Obama (along with every other mainstream candidate through the primaries) wasn't taking foreign/corporate money. Oops.
I you you cant, but the question begs to be asked.
Can you show proof where Obama is taking illegal foreign donations?
You do realize this is illegal activity, aye?
Probably not!
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Fanta46
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| Topic: Group seeks federal probe of McCain donations |
Wed 08/13/08 07:52 AM |
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Maybe they should look at John Edwards money to his Mistress and that $115k worth of internet work she suppose to have done.
Does this have anything to do with the topic?
Last I looked Edwards wasnt on anyones ballot!
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Fanta46
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Wed 08/13/08 12:28 AM |
LOL Tim,
I thought this thread was about Republicans!
Turns out I wasnt far off!
Many people born here have been following HiBush so religously and for so long they have forgotten what being an American is about.
They think anyone who doesnt believe in the Bush doctrine is unAmerican.
Dont let them get to you.
I think otim been doing real well since coming back!
I believe in second chances. Dont let me, or more importantly yourself, down! |
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Fanta46
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| Topic: Group seeks federal probe of McCain donations |
Wed 08/13/08 12:09 AM |
WASHINGTON -- A political watchdog group called for investigations to determine whether fundraisers for John McCain's presidential campaign arranged illegal ''straw'' donations -- contributions from people who did not spend their own money.
Campaign Money Watch urged U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey Monday to probe the activities of Florida defense contractor Harry Sargeant III, who is credited with raising more than $500,000 for the campaign. It also questioned $57,000 in donations from an office manager for oil giant the Hess Corp. and her husband, a railroad foreman.
The McCain campaign last week returned $50,000 of the donations tied to Sargeant, citing published reports that some California donors did not intend to vote for McCain. The campaign also sent a letter to others who contributed via Sargeant, stressing that only U.S. citizens or permanent residents may donate, and only if they use their own funds.
In a letter to Mukasey, David Donnelly, the executive director of Campaign Money Watch, said that merely returning questionable donations would ``sweep them under the rug and would further damage the public's faith in our democratic process.''
His letter was accompanied by a petition carrying 12,000 signatures gathered by the liberal-leaning group Moveon.org Political Action.
A Justice Department official said the agency had yet to receive the letter and would have no comment.
Sargeant, who could not be reached for comment, is a college friend of Florida Gov. Charlie Crist and serves as finance chairman of the Florida Republican Party. He had help in raising the money from Mustafa Abu Naba, his partner in the International Oil Trading Co., which holds a Pentagon contract worth up to $1 billion to deliver jet fuel to U.S. military bases in Iraq.
Referring to Abu Naba, Donnelly called it ``of questionable legality for foreign nationals to participate in fundraising and finance decisions for federal candidates.''
He also urged an investigation of two donations of $28,500 each by Alice Rocchio, the Hess Corp. office manager, and her husband, Pasquale, to a joint fundraising committee set up by McCain and the Republican National Committee.
The couple made their contributions within days of McCain's reversal of his long-standing opposition to offshore oil drilling and on the same day that seven Hess executives and two of their relatives each donated the same amount. Among them were Chairman and Chief Executive Officer John Hess, who has raised more than $500,000 for McCain.
While it's ''understandable'' that Hess executives might give generously to McCain, Donnelly wrote, ``that does not explain how Mr. and Ms. Rocchio came to give these significant amounts given what appears to be their modest lifestyle.''
The couple lives in an apartment in the New York borough of Queens. McClatchy Newspapers reported last week that Alice Rocchio drives a 1993 Chevy Cavalier. The couple, who said they contributed because they supported McCain, had earlier given $4,600.
http://www.miamiherald.com/979/story/638558.html
Reminds me of his campaign funding dinner in Canada.
McConfused cant remember who he's supposed to represent as President.
He's taking donations from special interests in foreign countries.
Is the US for sell? |
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Fanta46
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| Topic: 2/3 Pay No Taxes |
Tue 08/12/08 11:36 AM |
They cut their taxes, many times to Zero, to draw them here.
Its been happening not just at the Federal level but also at the State level. Then their profits are carried home. Its part of globalization.
First the lifted the trade tariffs, making it impossible for US companies to compete, at home, in America.
Then when they shut down or moved overseas they gave tax breaks to draw foreign companies here and provide replacement jobs for the unemployed Americans.
This also helped to weaken Unions here, that and Fed legislation designed to do just that(Reagan). The jobs coming in were, as a result, at far lower pay grades with less benefits than the ones they replaced.
On top of all that they brainwashed, through indoctrination at the earliest ages, (schools, etc.) a whole generation of Americans to think it was American laziness, lack of education, and poor product quality that caused the change.
In truth none of that is true. (We work more hours a week and provide a better quality product than any where in the world.)
Corporate executives benefited and the American workers lost!
Of course you can never get anyone born after 1978-80 to see it! |
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| Topic: Cheneye to dress navy seals as Iranians to provoke war |
Mon 08/11/08 08:41 PM |
They have more than that!
They have an anti-tank missile that when used in Lebanon recently gave the Israeli's hell!
I saw Pentagon estimates that if we invade Iran they expect the losses seen in Iraq in the first week of combat alone! |
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