tribo
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TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE?
WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT?
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Edited by tribo on Fri 10/24/08 04:26 PM
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LexFonteyne
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Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
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tribo
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:28 PM |
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QUOTE:
Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
and what would that be?
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Voluptuous
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A world without would be a lost world indeed
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LexFonteyne
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:36 PM |
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Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
and what would that be?
I have no idea. Some new form of fairy tale, perhaps. So many people seem to have such a vested interest into hanging onto ancient myths, and taking it for granted that they are real -- even though man has gradually discovered more and more of the falseness that lies within them. "I will hold onto my baseless beliefs, in spite of what reality shows me, and ignore reality in favor of the illusion" -- the words of the self-deceiver.
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ljcc1964
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:37 PM |
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Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
So let me get this right....you are saying then that those that believe in a diety are doing so to avoid reality? And if so....what is the evidence of that?
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symbelmyne
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:38 PM |
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Life without religion would be easy...
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LexFonteyne
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:41 PM |
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Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
So let me get this right....you are saying then that those that believe in a diety are doing so to avoid reality? And if so....what is the evidence of that?
I can only go by what I've seen -- and I've seen no evidence of a deity.
I have known many people who believe in a deity -- my best friend is as devout a Christian as there is -- yet none of them can offer more than their feelings and their faith and an old book to support any of the beliefs. I need more than that before I can accept the existence of something for which there is no evidence.
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tribo
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:41 PM |
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Life without religion would be easy...
care to expand on your comment?
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ljcc1964
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:47 PM |
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QUOTE:
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Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
So let me get this right....you are saying then that those that believe in a diety are doing so to avoid dealing with reality? And if so....what is the evidence of that?
I can only go by what I've seen -- and I've seen no evidence of a deity.
I have known many people who believe in a deity -- my best friend is as devout a Christian as there is -- yet none of them can offer more than their feelings and their faith and an old book to support any of the beliefs. I need more than that before I can accept the existence of something for which there is no evidence.
I understand. What you are saying is that you don't see any evidence of a diety. I get that. But my question was not if you believe in a diety, but how you can conclude that someone is avoiding dealing with reality by believing in one. I believe in a diety. Does this mean that I am avoiding dealing with reality? And if so...what evidence do you have to support your conclusion? 
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Edited by ljcc1964 on Fri 10/24/08 04:49 PM
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Yort
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:48 PM |
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organized religion in fact is responsible for the most deaths worldwide through history so maybe a more peaceful place, however people having their own individual faiths sounds like a good idea
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neanderthalDave
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:49 PM |
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Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
Ive never agreed with you more.
something about mankinds ego just cant except that this is it.we get one life its all we get, so make the most of it.there is no happy ending for eternity.
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symbelmyne
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:50 PM |
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Life without religion would be easy...
care to expand on your comment?
its too complicated worshiping a deity, too many rules, regulations and contradictions...I can go about my life simply and easily without having to worry if im making god happy or if im pissing off one of his worshipers or worse, pissing off somebody else who believes in a different god...
no god = no religion
no religion = no hassels
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ljcc1964
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:53 PM |
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QUOTE:
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Life without religion would be easy...
care to expand on your comment?
its too complicated worshiping a deity, too many rules, regulations and contradictions...I can go about my life simply and easily without having to worry if im making god happy or if im pissing off one of his worshipers or worse, pissing off somebody else who believes in a different god...
no god = no religion
no religion = no hassels
I beg to differ. There are plenty other hassles to be had by all. 
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ljcc1964
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:54 PM |
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Someone would just find, or create, another way to avoid dealing with reality.
Ive never agreed with you more.
something about mankinds ego just cant except that this is it.we get one life its all we get, so make the most of it.there is no happy ending for eternity.
How do you know this?
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tribo
Joined Mon 05/12/08
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:54 PM |
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QUOTE:
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Life without religion would be easy...
care to expand on your comment?
its too complicated worshiping a deity, too many rules, regulations and contradictions...I can go about my life simply and easily without having to worry if im making god happy or if im pissing off one of his worshipers or worse, pissing off somebody else who believes in a different god...
no god = no religion
no religion = no hassels
would that include all the nature religions and dieties also?
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ljcc1964
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:56 PM |
Aww man. I gotta split. I was really enjoying this thread. I'll see ya'll in a few hours!
Byeeeee!!
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tribo
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:56 PM |
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A world without would be a lost world indeed
My lady, if religion or gods never existed, how would one be able to concider themselves lost?
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LexFonteyne
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:58 PM |
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I understand. What you are saying is that you don't see any evidence of a diety. I get that. But my question was not if you believe in a diety, but how you can conclude that someone is avoiding reality by believing in one. I believe in a diety. Does this mean that I am avoiding reality? And if so...what evidence do you have to support your conclusion?
I don't know you, so I can't answer your question.
The people I know, who believe in a deity, clearly are avoiding reality, in my opinion. The deity becomes an excuse for bad behavior ("This is the way God made me" or "It's all a part of His marvelous plan"), thereby abrogating any responsibility for their own actions. This does not fit in with my idea of reality. One must ultimately be responsible for one's own actions.
They live their lives, ostensibly (although not so much in practice), in such a way so as to please a fictional character who does not exist, and who can do nothing to them, or for them, whatsoever. This does not fit in with my idea of reality. The Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa have no influence on my thoughts and actions.
They deny science, and scientific procedures and methods, no matter how arduously tested, for the sake of clinging to their own baseless mythologies. Dinosaurs never existed, the earth was created in 4004 B.C., and there is no link whatsoever between a chimpanzee and a human, despite a nearly 99% match in active DNA nucleotide sequences. This not fit in with my idea of reality. Because a person finds a discovery offensive does not mean it cannot be true.
My idea of reality could be wrong -- I acknowledge that.
But mine fits in better with the reality I can experience, can learn about, can explore -- mine is not dependent on invisible friends, ethereal beings no one has ever seen or heard.
My reality includes the word "real." As in tangible, testable, measurable, and perceptible.
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symbelmyne
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| Fri 10/24/08 04:59 PM |
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QUOTE:
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Life without religion would be easy...
care to expand on your comment?
its too complicated worshiping a deity, too many rules, regulations and contradictions...I can go about my life simply and easily without having to worry if im making god happy or if im pissing off one of his worshipers or worse, pissing off somebody else who believes in a different god...
no god = no religion
no religion = no hassels
would that include all the nature religions and dieties also?
yep
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