TheLonelyWalker
Joined Sat 04/07/07
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| Wed 05/02/07 06:26 PM |
It's just our own choices to walk away from God. It does not mean that
we are bad. It means we are weak. However, that does not make God love
us less. He always loves us the same way. He is always waiting for us to
go back to him.
So the thought that if we are sinner we are going to hell it's just
ridiculosus.
And the only idea of hell that I can bear is spend eternity away from my
Heavenly Father.
TLW
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Abracadabra
Joined Thu 04/12/07
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| Wed 05/02/07 07:21 PM |
The god I know cannot be separated from me.
Without god I can’t even exist.
God is always with me.
Maybe that explains why I’m sinless.
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TheLonelyWalker
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| Wed 05/02/07 07:37 PM |
God never goes away from us we freely choose to step away from Him, but
he stays really close to us we don't notice Him which is different.
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Spidercmb
Joined Fri 04/27/07
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| Wed 05/02/07 07:39 PM |
Revelation 20:14-15
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Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the
second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found
written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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The Lake of Fire is the "second death" or spiritual death.
Romans 6:23
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord.
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The wages of sin is spitual death. There is no such place as hell. If
you went to hell, you would have eternal life...in hell. But Romans
6:23 is clear that "the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our
Lord", so would it make sense that you would live forever in hell?
Matthew 13:24-30
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Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven
may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his
men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and
went away. But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares
became evident also. The slaves of the landowner came and said to him,
'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have
tares?' And he said to them, 'An enemy has done this!' The slaves said
to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?' But he said,
'No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat
with them. Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the
time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the
tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat
into my barn."'"
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It says "gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up".
"Burn them uP" would mean that the tares (bad fruit) are destroyed.
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TheLonelyWalker
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| Wed 05/02/07 07:49 PM |
Spider:
My Lord died for our sins, we can be redeemed even in the last minute of
our lifes.
Please do not be so extremist.
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Spidercmb
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| Wed 05/02/07 07:52 PM |
Did you read what I posted? I was using scripture to show that there is
no hell. I was supporting your idea. Perhaps you were being a little
too quick to attack me and just quickly skimmed what I wrote?
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TheLonelyWalker
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| Wed 05/02/07 07:55 PM |
I'm sorry I'm studying and I'm trying to keep up with the threads.
Tomorrow is my final of art history.
I really apologize
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scttrbrain
Joined Sun 04/08/07
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| Wed 05/02/07 07:56 PM |
If my husband were to pass on a terrible desease to me, lets say AIDS. I
am sure I would feel remorse and sadness and even, yes, anger. But, I
would also take into mind that he was not alone in this. He would also
have to be dealing with whatever I was also dealing with. That in order
for me to have contracted a desease such as this, I would have to be
blamed also. Was I not also involved? To blame one person that caused no
intentional harm would be worthless and ignorant. Would this not be like
passing the buck??
Kat
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scttrbrain
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Oops, excuse me...How did that get in this thread???
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Spidercmb
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| Wed 05/02/07 08:01 PM |
scttrbrain wrote:
If my husband were to pass on a terrible desease to me, lets say AIDS. I
am sure I would feel remorse and sadness and even, yes, anger. But, I
would also take into mind that he was not alone in this. He would also
have to be dealing with whatever I was also dealing with. That in order
for me to have contracted a desease such as this, I would have to be
blamed also. Was I not also involved? To blame one person that caused no
intentional harm would be worthless and ignorant. Would this not be like
passing the buck??
Kat
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SpiderCMB replied:
If you had sex with your husband and contracted a disease, it is in no
way your fault! How could you even think that? Having sex with your
husband isn't sinful, but your husband having sex with a stranger is. I
honestly can't see your point, would you mind explaining it again?
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scttrbrain
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| Wed 05/02/07 08:12 PM |
First of all, this was supposed to be in the other thread over there.
But...I was refering to me having had unprotected sex with him.
I also was not thinking along the lines of him cheating. Now if it was
because he was cheating and that happened: I suppose I would have to get
over it to the best of my ability and immediately seek medical help.
Send him to do the same.
As this has not happened to me. I really cannot tell you if I would
forgive him, and take him back. But, that is not an impossibility.
But there is a very good chance that forgiveness would be there. It is
not in my heart to hold in hate or anger.
That is the way I used to be. But, I am a different woman than I used to
be.
Kat
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Abracadabra
Joined Thu 04/12/07
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| Thu 05/03/07 04:37 AM |
Spider wrote:
"The wages of sin is spitual death. There is no such place as hell. If
you went to hell, you would have eternal life...in hell. But Romans 6:23
is clear that "the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our
Lord", so would it make sense that you would live forever in hell?"
So then an Atheist would be correct. If they don't believe in a god,
then for them there is no god.
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jeanc200358
Joined Fri 02/02/07
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| Thu 05/03/07 05:34 AM |
Spider, this is one area I'd have to disagree with you. There is a
"hell," at least from what my faith has taught me. There is a hell as
much as there is a Heaven. Now, whether either place is purely symbolic
or literal ...hmm...I don't know. I had a near-death experience and what
I felt was a "literal" feeling; it went far beyond imagination or dreams
or visions or any of the non-physical feelings you want to associate
with it; it WAS physical, but it was nothing like what I know now to be
a "physical" experience. I know that doesn't make sense, but there's no
way to explain it to someone who hasn't experienced it.
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Abra, I hate to rain on your self-inflicted "I am perfect" parade, but
you have sinned, you do sin, and you will continue to sin. I don't care
how "good" you think you are.
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RainbowTrout
Joined Fri 04/06/07
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| Thu 05/03/07 05:42 AM |
James knows what it is. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do
good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
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Abracadabra
Joined Thu 04/12/07
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| Thu 05/03/07 05:48 AM |
Sheila wrote:
“Abra, I hate to rain on your self-inflicted "I am perfect" parade, but
you have sinned, you do sin, and you will continue to sin. I don't care
how "good" you think you are.”
You’re not raining on my parade Sheila. You see when I say that I am
sinless I am not speaking in terms of the biblical definition of sin.
I am not claiming to be ‘biblically’ sinless. I don’t use the Bible as
my definition for sin. I don’t need to be ‘perfect’ to be sinless.
To me the definition of sin is simple. It is a sin to intentionally do
a wrong. I don’t intentionally do wrong, therefore I am without sin.
There is no proclamation of ‘I am perfect’ associated with that. That
idea stems from your views, not mine.
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Abracadabra
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| Thu 05/03/07 05:54 AM |
Roy wrote:
“James knows what it is. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do
good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin..”
Thank you for posting this Roy.
Funny how the bible has multiple definitions of sin. This verse in
James sounds like my definition of sin. But there are also other places
in the bible where it says no man is without sin, etc., etc., etc.
I think every view possible is actually written in the bible some place.
After all, it really is just a collection of a bunch of different
writings.
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RainbowTrout
Joined Fri 04/06/07
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| Thu 05/03/07 05:59 AM |
Your welcome, James.  Good morning.
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Abracadabra
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| Thu 05/03/07 06:04 AM |
Good morning Roy.
I have no emotiocons to give you a flower with so let me just say, “May
god bless you’re lollipop”
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jeanc200358
Joined Fri 02/02/07
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| Thu 05/03/07 06:17 AM |
"The sin of self-sufficiency is a serious matter. You boast is
kauchasthe, a verb that can have a positive meaning, as in Romans 5:11
and 1 Corinthians 1:3, but clearly has a negative emphasis here.
The NIV's and brag is actually not a second verb in the text but a
prepositional phrase "in your arrogance" (cf. NASB). Moo (1985:157)
points out that such a phrase in the New Testament, with the preposition
en following this verb kauchasthe, always refers to the object of the
boasting (for example, boasting in one's high position as in 1:9).
This makes the arrogance not merely the manner of their boasting but
rather the object of their boasting. The sin James is exposing is not
merely a sin of omission (neglecting to recognize God's rule over their
affairs); it is a sin of commission in that they even boast about their
self-sufficiency.
Such boasting, kauchesis, is therefore especially evil; further, all
such boasting is evil. It is a blasphemous denial of God's authority and
grace to think that we instead of God control events.Arrogance in
Behavior (4:17)
Suddenly James shifts his emphasis from whether we know God's will to
whether we do God's will. Verse 17 seems at first not to fit the thrust
of the paragraph. That, however, is a clue not that James is erratic in
his thought but that we have not understood his meaning. The adverb oun
("then") provides grammatical evidence that James intends a connection
in thought. He may have made a jump in his line of thought without
articulating the intervening steps, but it is entirely consistent with
the rest of the letter for James to tell his readers to carry out their
inward attitude with outward actions.
In fact, James capsulizes in this one verse much of what he has already
taught in the letter. His double use of the verb poieo (to do and
doesn't do) reminds his readers succinctly of his earlier emphasis on
doing the word of God (1:22-25).
The picture of one who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it
recalls the earlier picture of one who finds the brother or sister in
need but does not do the good that ought to be done (2:15-16). The label
of "sin" (hamartia) is applied with all the severe warning about sin
given earlier (1:15).
James fully expects that a humble attitude will be manifest in humble
actions, and an arrogant attitude will be manifest in arrogant actions.
It is natural for him now to be saying in 4:17: "Do not merely say that
you want to know God's will or that you recognize your dependence on his
will; look carefully at what God has already said about his will, and do
that."
Failure to do what one knows to be God's will is the same arrogance that
James has been describing in knowledge and attitude, now carried out in
behavior.
Indifference toward God's will is commonplace sin today, and Motyer
comments on this verse that "the whole idea of sinning by default has
never been given more pointed expression" (1985:163).
As we have previously found in this letter, here James carries the
issues of faith into the realm of active obedience."
(The preceding text addresses the sin of self-sufficiency.)
Source: BibleGateway.com
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Spidercmb
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Abracadabra wrote:
So then an Atheist would be correct. If they don't believe in a god,
then for them there is no god.
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SpiderCMB replied:
Not at all. There is a God, regardless of if you beleive or not. You
will worship and praise God at your own Judgement, the only thing that a
being in God's presence *can* do is worship and praise Him. While being
told that you are going to be destroyed in eternal flame, you will thank
God for being so good to you in your life. God sees all of time laid
out like a string of pearls. He has already seen this happen and has
described it through prophecy in the Bible.
Romans 14:11
For it is written,
"AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."
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