funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 07:04 AM |
a belief is a belief because the believer of that belief has not enough proof to claim it as fact, so anyone that claim to "believe" in the existence of God is in fact stating they have "doubts" about God's existance ..hence "to believe is to doubt"
so are those that then try to pass off a belief in God as truth without the sufficient proof to make such a claim lying to oneself and to others, while using the word faith as a way to justify the deception
"to believe is to doubt" ...there is just no way around this logic
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Differentkindofwench
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| Sat 12/08/07 07:16 AM |
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So what's your definition of "faith"?
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keywhee
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| Sat 12/08/07 07:19 AM |
Oh my God (or god, whichever you prefer). That's the worst line of reason I've think I've heard since I cared what my ex-wife thought. 
Good job trying to rev up another argument with laughable logic.
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Differentkindofwench
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| Sat 12/08/07 07:26 AM |
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Also, what constitutes "proof"? Feelings to you appear to be delusional, so much for "intuition", which in my case is usually a feeling, so thereby must be "delusional" as I have no physical proof of such a thing.
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funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 07:44 AM |
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So what's your definition of "faith"?
faith like delusion doesn't exist pass the mind ..faith is the realization of the lack of Free Will ..faith is to place oneself into the role of God that because they wish something to be then so be it
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funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 07:48 AM |
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Oh my God (or god, whichever you prefer). That's the worst line of reason I've think I've heard since I cared what my ex-wife thought.
Good job trying to rev up another argument with laughable logic.
well maybe that's why she's your ex-wife because you never cared what she thought ..also it's easy to say that the worst line of reasoning but I bet you can't explain rationally why ..
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funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 07:55 AM |
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Also, what constitutes "proof"? Feelings to you appear to be delusional, so much for "intuition", which in my case is usually a feeling, so thereby must be "delusional" as I have no physical proof of such a thing.
feelings may be the body's warning system but doesn't provide concrete proof for anything but maybe for your own existence
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hiker1kvn
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:00 AM |
a belief is a belief because the believer of that belief has not enough proof to claim it as fact, so anyone that claim to "believe" in the existence of God is in fact stating they have "doubts" about God's existance ..hence "to believe is to doubt"
Doubt is to faith as stop is to go. You error is to use doubt, when you should use "lack of evidence". Every one who believes whether in God or evolution, has holes in their proofs. In any event you pay the price of your missplaced faith.
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jimz
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:13 AM |
hello,I'm not awake, but I had to reply, I'm with you bro, sometimes I think, the biggest non-believer or skeptic of issues of spirituality are the most close to whoever the true spirit of life is. I don't know, so I don't believe, the only thing I see is that Karma is talked about in almost all religions
jimmy
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funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:15 AM |
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Doubt is to faith as stop is to go. You error is to use doubt, when you should use "lack of evidence".
isn't lack of evidence doubt ..you're trying to sugar coat it
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In any event you pay the price of your missplaced faith.
hopefully the aliens will invade Earth first
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s1owhand
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:17 AM |
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"i doubt it"
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jimz
Joined Sun 06/24/07
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:23 AM |
ah, the greatest sentence of truth, "I doubt it"
jimmy
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funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:27 AM |
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hello,I'm not awake, but I had to reply, I'm with you bro, sometimes I think, the biggest non-believer or skeptic of issues of spirituality are the most close to whoever the true spirit of life is. I don't know, so I don't believe, the only thing I see is that Karma is talked about in almost all religions
jimmy
karma supposely happens to everyone but the God in question ..which suggest it's not karma but simply the God dispensing his power ..perfect example is the story of "JOB" ..
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funches
Joined Sat 12/01/07
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:28 AM |
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"i doubt it"
and I doubt you do doubt it
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invisible
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:36 AM |
This thing made 148 pages on myspace
http://forums.myspace.com/t/2134890.aspx?fuseaction=forums.viewthread&PageIndex=1&SortOrder=0
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Dragoness
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:40 AM |
Debating this subject always ends with the statement, "I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe", the reason for this is even if "proof" was to be provided it would be discounted by the non-believer. There is a reason it is called a leap of faith and since there is no scientific proof of any religion being true, even with the verification that each would like to take as "truth" or "proof", it is not definite.
Just remember, even our scientific "truth" as man has grown and evolved, we have learned the previous "truth" was only true because our knowledge could not process farther at the time.
In saying that, what one believes, is just that, it is their truth. It is hard for them to think outside of their "truth" to encompass other "truths". So they will try to make others see their "truths" as they do. It sometimes happens and sometimes not. But either way one must try not to judge another for their truths, just be open to the fact each person has their own truth, none are universal.
funches, I still find you amusing, you are going to unconvert the converters, LOL
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adj4u
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:49 AM |
if proof of fact was available
then there would be no point
anyone with any sense could believe
proven fact
but to believe in the non proven
takes faith
and without faith in the belief
then it is irrelevant
as for a cristianity example
thomas sayin g unless i thrust my hand in his wounds i will not believe
jesus' response
you see and now you believe even more blessed are those that have not seen but believe with their faith
(not exact quote but anyone with any sense should understand it)
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funches
Joined Sat 12/01/07
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:50 AM |
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This thing made 148 pages on myspace
http://forums.myspace.com/t/2134890.aspx?fuseaction=forums.viewthread&PageIndex=1&SortOrder=0
hey invisible kitty kat ..and this video I produced got over a 1000 view ...
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=648157
so what's your point...that you realize that it's no way around the logic of "to believe is to doubt" ..I figure I'll see if anyone in this forum could do it
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funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:53 AM |
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Debating this subject always ends with the statement, "I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe", the reason for this is even if "proof" was to be provided it would be discounted by the non-believer.
so Drangoness ..what proof do you provide ...to believe anything means you just don't know and not knowing if something is truth doesn't make it truth by uttering the word faith
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funches
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| Sat 12/08/07 08:55 AM |
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if proof of fact was available
then there would be no point
it would be no point in "believing" because you would "know"
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